Just as a reminder:
Many may have forgotten Ron Paul dropping out of his 2008 election campaign, and betraying all those who donated their hard earned money in the hopes of electing Ron Paul, but I do remember. I remember how betrayed many people felt after holding a deep trust in Ron Paul. I warned people back then, and I'm warning everyone still. You better know what you're getting.
Related:
- The System Childishly Attacks Ron Paul While Ignoring His Real Weakness
- About Ron Paul And President Obama
- Speaking of Competing Currencies
- To be sovereign we must issue and regulate our own currency.
- Idiocy and treason are destroying the Republic!
- Ron Paul's Golden Globalism Article 1, Section 8, or DIE!
- The False Austrian School Solution
- Competing currencies, or handing over our economy to hidden-hand forces?
- Monopoly vs. Competing Currencies
Well we knew Ron Paul wasnt for real, if he were he would have moved to be an independent. He is just another jack boot repuke bent on destroying the social network that is keeping most citizens from starving to death during this Banksters crime of the century.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Anon above. THEY are all crooks, the DEMOCRACY is a hoax, and the following puts them all in jail, certified by the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Pedro Cortez, Dejure Capital of the Republic union:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.scribd.com/doc/21486698/International-Claim-Oct-10-2004
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21486454/Complaint
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21486707/Notice-of-Exigency
Thanks for the comments.
ReplyDeletewow...3 people made a comment! Thats a record!
ReplyDeleteI supported Ron Paul in 2007/2008. I still support him and I know websites like this will be coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
And I always knew webster was a schill, but wasnt quite sure..now I am.
If he would tell the truth about 911 he would be out the door. But it hurts to see him lie.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul Will be the the next POTUS! Unless the voting machines screw him, (good chance of that)or the caucas's count the votes in secret. But Of course that won't happen WILL IT?? The Iowa GOP HAS ALREADY DECIDED to screw Him. The Big Corps that own this country is screwing him by lies, distortions , and no real media coverage. Tell me dear reader do you like the 1% deciding who your goverment is and not you? Ron Paul Is America's last chance or it will be gulog's and Nazi Germany All over again. The chess pieces are all in place, any thinking person can see it. Ron Paul 2012 For FREEDOM AND PEACE!!
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletewow...3 people made a comment! Thats a record!
I supported Ron Paul in 2007/2008. I still support him and I know websites like this will be coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
And I always knew webster was a schill, but wasnt quite sure..now I am."
Of course, you do not make any attempt to refute my argument, nor Tarpley's, which tells all.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteRon Paul Will be the the next POTUS! Unless the voting machines screw him, (good chance of that)or the caucas's count the votes in secret. But Of course that won't happen WILL IT?? The Iowa GOP HAS ALREADY DECIDED to screw Him. The Big Corps that own this country is screwing him by lies, distortions , and no real media coverage. Tell me dear reader do you like the 1% deciding who your goverment is and not you? Ron Paul Is America's last chance or it will be gulog's and Nazi Germany All over again. The chess pieces are all in place, any thinking person can see it. Ron Paul 2012 For FREEDOM AND PEACE!! "
Okay, you support Ron Paul. How about trying to refute Tarpley's critique? Can you do it?
Ron Paul is a good man and the 911 truth movement doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell to be heard if Ron Paul isn't elected.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard enough for Ron to become president... but if he was promoting the 911 truth movement he wouldn't have any chance whatsoever to be elected, it's amazing how narrow minded the 911 truth movement is, don't you see, or are you the enemy?
Well, you criticize RP, but you offer no viable alternatives. What, you think someone from the Libertarian or Constitutional Party is going to win?
ReplyDeleteDo you think the American public is ready to accept the facts about 911? They have lived in blissful ignorance for 10 years despite the massive evidence of collusion regarding 911- evidence that is easily accessible on the Internet.
It will be extremely difficult for Dr. Paul to become President as he must fight the corrupt good old boy machine, a controlled and hostile main stream media, millions of Americans with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, the money cabal, and the general apathy and ignorance of the American public.
His stance against the FED is life threatening enough. I don't think it will do much to extend his life to bring up 911 nor will it improve his chances of winning the election.
Best to you
Tarpley is right about a lot of things. He can be wrong though!
ReplyDeleteAs far as Ron Paul goes, Paul is the only one I will be voting for. Not because he is perfect. But because he is closer to what I believe than any of the other bought and paid for sock puppets.
Paul will cut spending as he should. No more corporate welfare. No more agribiz getting millions for doing nothing. No more central planning. No more FED. No more income tax.
I disagree with Paul on a few issues. But the main issue of money is where him and I agree.
Take away the golden goose that is the FED from the central planners and the NWO will be no more. The Love of money is the root of all kinds of evil and the lovers of money are up to no good.
Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012
This site must be run by the Pentagon. You better be getting down on knees and praying for Ron Paul to get elected, because any which way Obama or the Dick Cheney neocon clones get elected you are going to experience tyranny the likes this planet has never seen before. Look at the latest East German piece of legislation NDAA... the government now says it can lock you up indefinitely, no trial no jury. You disappear into a black hole. Webster behaviour and suspect do to the fact Paul is the one candidate person who is standing up for his right to speak freely. If Tarpley is not a shill, after 2012 he may find himself in Gitmo.
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for those that don't understand why Ron didn't run Independent in 2008. FACT. He would never have won. He didn't have enough support and he didn't have a proper campaign together, which showed in his terrible adverts and lack of structure.
ReplyDeleteWhen he went back to congress he weiled more power and voice. In that time he has been able to educate millions of people on the Federal reserve and the foreign wars etc and how they are destroying the country. He never threw the money away he was given. Instead he has used it to build a strong campaign this time around.
And at the very moment he has a chance of starting off the GOP primaries with a win, when he needs the support the most.. You guys question his motives?
All I say to y'all is this might be the last chance you have to elect a President who will fight for the constitution and reverse the unholy damage against it. So stop taking pot shots and get behind the man already, he needs every bit of help he can get. Not this bullsh*t.
Ron Paul knows that 911 was done by US-Israel. He can't acknowledge that publicly because he would be out of the Republican party the next day.
ReplyDeleteHis tactic is to go after the NWO on the economic angle (Federal Reserve).
When people say he should acknowledge 911 Truth, it is equivalent to asking him to throw himself under the Juggernaut. He can't stop it that way or even change its course (and everybody reading this knows that).
There are various levels at which people deal with the NWO. Jeff Rense goes after the Zionists directly and has a small footprint.
Alex Jones goes after the NWO but does not put a heavy hand on the Zionists. He gets a much larger following by not being thrown off the radio.
Ron Paul just goes at the Fed and warfare in general and has the largest exposure.
To say that Ron Paul is anything but a true patriot is to disavow his entire life's work which is known to be completely consistent with the intentions of the founding fathers.
What do you want ... noble martyrs or live fighters? I think there is room for a million levels of resistance.
Ron Paul... OUR country's last chance.
ReplyDeleteWebster G. Tarpley? Saw him going down my craper with my morning dump.
I tend to agree with Ken. Although i am a Paul supporter(and what im about to say the doc would say also) but dont blindly follow. I mean, we are allowed to disagree, its part of the foundation of this country.
ReplyDelete99% of what Ron Paul stands for this country is in dire need of. But what are his plans for monetary reform? Alan Greenspan and his gang were fierce economic libertarians, but government should control the money, not the market (or those who now control the market). I wish Paul would state his plans for replacing the FED. He has romantic ideals that gold and free market are the panacea. But the corrupt credit class could take us from the frying pan into the fire. I campaigned hard for Paul in 08. Now, without a clear monetary policy beyond competing currency, I am leery. Despite the horrible alternatives. The history of gold is not pretty. There are better alternatives to the FED's fiat money that we can embrace. Like Kucinich's monetary act. Let's not cast the gold bullion just yet.
ReplyDeleteDr.Paul was correct when he withdrew in 2008.
ReplyDeleteHe was not taken seriously enough by the electorate.
Fast forward to 2011. After three years of Obama and "Change We Can no longer Believe In", and all my former skeptic friends are now Paul supporters - and spreading the word.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteRon Paul is a good man and the 911 truth movement doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell to be heard if Ron Paul isn't elected.
It's hard enough for Ron to become president... but if he was promoting the 911 truth movement he wouldn't have any chance whatsoever to be elected, it's amazing how narrow minded the 911 truth movement is, don't you see, or are you the enemy?"
That's your argument? Really? The man either stands for truth or he doesn't. He can publicly get away with telling an audience the CIA has run a coup against the Federal Government, but no, he can't dare associate himself with those pesky 911 truthers, else the Republican party will be very very angry with him. Yeah, makes perfect sense. But, maybe I'm the enemy?
Unfortunately, although Webster Tarpley's analysis is usually spot on, what other realistic alternatives do we have left? Getting rid of Obama should definitely be a priority, however, neither of the mainstream politicans will never repeal the Gestapo-esque laws like within the NDAA. Just on personal freedoms alone, Ron Paul is needed badly. We need the TSA and big government out of our lives. Unfortunately, it may be too late. Americans get angry when Bank of America or Verizon tries to tack on fees, but are silent when they lose their Constitutional rights.
ReplyDeleteDon't touch my junk!Where should we cut Webster? .40 cents of every dollar spent is borrow by Fed gov. Government out of control.Don't take my welfare or warfare away.The 1% has it right,let it collapse,for trying to take back what Uncle Momma gives will not work.Bring on the collapse,the sooner the better.Get real RP supporters,at least he has shown the light on the problems.
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWell, you criticize RP, but you offer no viable alternatives. What, you think someone from the Libertarian or Constitutional Party is going to win?
Do you think the American public is ready to accept the facts about 911? They have lived in blissful ignorance for 10 years despite the massive evidence of collusion regarding 911- evidence that is easily accessible on the Internet.
It will be extremely difficult for Dr. Paul to become President as he must fight the corrupt good old boy machine, a controlled and hostile main stream media, millions of Americans with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, the money cabal, and the general apathy and ignorance of the American public.
His stance against the FED is life threatening enough. I don't think it will do much to extend his life to bring up 911 nor will it improve his chances of winning the election.
Best to you"
I don't keep politicians waiting at my home to offer them up in times like these. It would make things easier though. It's not a question of do I have alternatives to offer, it's a question of when will real alternatives present themselves? I see no viable candidate coming from any party of any kind. It's certainly not my job to go grooming potentials either.
Yes, I do believe the public is ready for 911 truth, and most Americans already don't believe the official conspiracy theory.
I don't believe RP's opposition to the Fed puts his life in jeopardy. No, I think you're making excuses for Ron Paul here. Let's not forget how everyone attack Debra Medina for distancing herself from the truth movement, and that includes attacks coming from the Austrian propaganda machine InfoWars. Yet, RP gets a free pass? It's rather interesting to me to say the least.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTarpley is right about a lot of things. He can be wrong though!
As far as Ron Paul goes, Paul is the only one I will be voting for. Not because he is perfect. But because he is closer to what I believe than any of the other bought and paid for sock puppets.
Paul will cut spending as he should. No more corporate welfare. No more agribiz getting millions for doing nothing. No more central planning. No more FED. No more income tax.
I disagree with Paul on a few issues. But the main issue of money is where him and I agree.
Take away the golden goose that is the FED from the central planners and the NWO will be no more. The Love of money is the root of all kinds of evil and the lovers of money are up to no good.
Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012"
RP's austerity will only provide a more devistating depression, and will not in the least help America. The enemy wants a global new dark age, and these kinds of austerity plans are exactly what the enemy is hoping for. Sorry, you cannot cure the disease by killing the patient.
Ending the Fed isn't enough. In order to restore our Constitution we must resume Article 1, Section 8. This means we must nationalize the Fed, thus allowing Congress to "coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof."
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThis site must be run by the Pentagon. You better be getting down on knees and praying for Ron Paul to get elected, because any which way Obama or the Dick Cheney neocon clones get elected you are going to experience tyranny the likes this planet has never seen before. Look at the latest East German piece of legislation NDAA... the government now says it can lock you up indefinitely, no trial no jury. You disappear into a black hole. Webster behaviour and suspect do to the fact Paul is the one candidate person who is standing up for his right to speak freely. If Tarpley is not a shill, after 2012 he may find himself in Gitmo."
Well, if this is "must be run by the Pentagon," then why even bother commenting? You're clearly dillusional.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for those that don't understand why Ron didn't run Independent in 2008. FACT. He would never have won. He didn't have enough support and he didn't have a proper campaign together, which showed in his terrible adverts and lack of structure.
When he went back to congress he weiled more power and voice. In that time he has been able to educate millions of people on the Federal reserve and the foreign wars etc and how they are destroying the country. He never threw the money away he was given. Instead he has used it to build a strong campaign this time around.
And at the very moment he has a chance of starting off the GOP primaries with a win, when he needs the support the most.. You guys question his motives?
All I say to y'all is this might be the last chance you have to elect a President who will fight for the constitution and reverse the unholy damage against it. So stop taking pot shots and get behind the man already, he needs every bit of help he can get. Not this bullsh*t."
Pot shots? In other words, no one is supposed to make any criticism of RP's policies, even if those policies would take this nation to hell. I don't think so! That's the kind of thinking which gave us the last lot of presidents.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteRon Paul knows that 911 was done by US-Israel. He can't acknowledge that publicly because he would be out of the Republican party the next day.
His tactic is to go after the NWO on the economic angle (Federal Reserve).
When people say he should acknowledge 911 Truth, it is equivalent to asking him to throw himself under the Juggernaut. He can't stop it that way or even change its course (and everybody reading this knows that).
There are various levels at which people deal with the NWO. Jeff Rense goes after the Zionists directly and has a small footprint.
Alex Jones goes after the NWO but does not put a heavy hand on the Zionists. He gets a much larger following by not being thrown off the radio.
Ron Paul just goes at the Fed and warfare in general and has the largest exposure.
To say that Ron Paul is anything but a true patriot is to disavow his entire life's work which is known to be completely consistent with the intentions of the founding fathers.
What do you want ... noble martyrs or live fighters? I think there is room for a million levels of resistance."
RP knows Israel did 911? Really? Please provide your proof of that. I've never heard anything from RP which implied he held such a belief. I've not personally seen evidence which proves Israel was solely responsible for 911 either.
RP's economic policies would help the NWO. That's the point! Austerity is what the oligarchy wants, and RP is persuing a policy of austerity.
I most certainly would not compare someone who supports Austrian economics to the founding fathers.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteRon Paul... OUR country's last chance.
Webster G. Tarpley? Saw him going down my craper with my morning dump."
Again, another "Anonymous" comment by someone without anything intelligent to say.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with Ken. Although i am a Paul supporter(and what im about to say the doc would say also) but dont blindly follow. I mean, we are allowed to disagree, its part of the foundation of this country."
Thanks for supporting my right to disagree. Yes, I'm certain RP has no issue with my opposition to him. There are good things about RP. I don't believe he's an evil man. I simply think his economic ideas would lead to great evils.
First, I generally like Tarpley when he is making commentary on current events, especially those about international currency dynamics and perhaps a bit of politics. He did, however, blow a lot of hot air regarding Paul's austerity programs.
ReplyDeleteMost of the programs...WIC, Medicade etc., exist without any authority from the Constitution. Most of our current problems stem from the Presidential declaration of "national emergency" declared by FDR in 1933. This usurpation of governmental authority by the executive has never been rescinded. Paul will fix that.
It has led to circumvention of Congressional war powers, extra judicial assassinations and endless executive orders which bankrupted America in 1971 when Nixon removed backing for our currency and closed the "gold window." Paul will reinstitute redeemable currency for which Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy were killed and the lack of which has destroyed the international monetary system.
The FED is an illegal, private corporation which rents this nation its currency. Ron Paul understands the methods of escape from that financial death trap. The Puerto Rico chartered IRS sends out privateers (IRS agents) to collect the rent, none of which goes to the Federal Government. If you doubt that, just look at the real annual financial statement of the USI as published in the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.
A comparison of Federal expenditures versus IRS receipts will show massive deficit spending. If, however, one looks at the CAFR , USI is not doing all that bad what with import duties, excise tax, various tolls and government investments and services. New York City alone, has a trillion bucks in their portfolio.
Ron Paul knows all of this and plenty more, which is not evident in many of the poorly informed comments here. Most of the massively wasteful and ineffective government, unconstitutional programs such as the "education department" the "Department of the Interior" and anchor baby authorities are completely outside of federal, authority of the constitutional republic and are therefore...illegal.
Those are all the responsibilities of the several, sovereign states. Did you ever ask yourself how it is that the uSI military can seal the North Korean border with solid effect and we cannot or will not control the American border with Mexico?? Executive orders...that's how. The original federal government was formed to deal with foreign relations, defense of the republic and the occasional Supreme Court case.
Unless we get rid of the FED, revert back to De Jure governance from the current corporate De Facto, we will remain a British monetary colony exercising its imperial designs. Hey folks, news flash!! We lost the war of 1812. Duh.
RP can't endorse 911 truth - even if he believed in it personally - he has enough on his plate wit the Fed and the machinery behind it - but if he becomes POTUS well that's another matter - at which point it would not surprise me in the least if he endorsed a proper investigation wherein everything can be revealed.
ReplyDeleteGO RP!
If you think about it, everything Tarpley said was superficial, makes a great deal of assumptions and doesn't see the forest for the trees. Example he says getting rid of these regulations, such as those which held the derivatives fiasco at bay, is a bad idea on Ron Paul's part. The derivatives is a fiasco because they could borrow from the Fed. The Fed prints money out of thin air. Ron Paul wants to get rid of the Fed which effectively takes care of derivatives. If Ron gets rid these bad laws, as Tarpley admits, it wouldn't make a hoot of difference. Everything he says has one of these hidden caveats which changes the entire picture.
ReplyDeleteTarpley asks where are the empirical examples where implementing an immediate deflationary crash was ever used to restore the economy. He says proponents can't answer this question. Really? How about Paul Volcker's tighting of the monetary supply in 1981, which wrung out of the economy the malinvestments from the latter 1970s.
ReplyDeleteAllowing malinvestments to fester in the system will get one a prolonged period of economic stagnation. Riding the wave of those malinvestments is no policy, which is why in previous recessions the Fed always tightened the money supply to recoup the economy faster. Otherwise one has a situation like we have today...prolonged stagnation with no signs of relief on the horizon.
What america needs is for you all to wake up and realise that every single one of these laws has been enacted by an administration that during the election process presented themselves as something "you could believe in".
ReplyDeleteEverytime we know we shouldn't legitimise the bullshit politics is, by providing consent for it to continue to run roughshod, over decency and fairness.
Everytime you do give your consent.
i have never voted, never will, unfortunately im trapped in a system with a bunch of frikkin retards that are to eager to believe that their "majority wishes" will be the wishes imposed on everyone else for four years, for the benefit of those people, even though it isn't what they want.
Every single one of you who votes is an irresponsible, thick, backwards looking, mindless automaton, cunt.
And before you say in that smarmy "i know better than you" tone: "it's your fault for not voting".
How would me voting have changed a single thing?.
How does my vote guarantee "Free and fair elections"?.
How does my vote stop vote rigging and fraud?.
(remember the hanging chads?, shit that made me laugh so much at how ineffectual your voting is.)
So please, withdraw your support from politics, do not give your consent to be ruled by wolves, stop being an automaton.
repeat after me.
I AM AN INDIVIDUAL.....LMFAO.
Kenneth,
ReplyDeleteI wrote a short essay on this topic at:
http://deadeyeblog.wordpress.com/2011/12/03/ron-paul-operation-briar-patch/
I like a lot of things about Ron Paul, and it doesn't feel good to oppose him. But his policies give you a big shiny gold coin (anti-war, anti-tyranny), then a knife to the throat (anti-Republicanism (which his masters would call "etatism")).
An American can't in good conscience vote for the Confederate States of America, even if you get a warm fuzzy feeling of "liberty" by doing so.
I frankly don't see a lot of danger that Paul will win – I do see the longer-term danger of widespread cynicism, defeatism and anti-Americanism suggested by his popularity at the polls. The oligarchs have us right where they want us.
Did you know Ron Paul's maternal grandmother was a Rothschild? Etc. Etc. Etc.
ReplyDeleteThis activity is what is childish. THEY ALL KNOW IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB. But it serves no candidate to march into that disastrous controversy during this campaign. Yet - here we are with NO ONE worth a xxxx and Webster is trying to pillory Ron. This is disingenuous. Are you angry with JFK, IF he had affairs, STILL? Grow up. We need to get rid of the Fed or we are dead. Probably dead anyway. Ron is the last hope.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul is the elitist's fox waiting to be let into the hen house if elected. If not, he is a dark horse distraction for some other nefarious agenda. Ron Paul is a deadly enemy of the American working class. He wants to eliminate Social Security, Medicare, considers unions unconstitutional etc. Couple that with self-admitted racist writings and the fact that he stated he would have voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and you have a psycho running for president. For his lies about the Constitution see the documented homosaps.net blogs for a scholarly analysis of his positions.
ReplyDeleteFinally, I see some real comments here. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to respond at this moment, but I will sometime this evening.
ReplyDeleteRon Paul makes perfect sense from a strategic sense not an idealogical sense. We have to break up the political machine where Republicans and Democrats work in partnership against the working class. A Ron Paul Presidency will upset that partnership and the lobbyist occupation of Congress until America comes to it senses about the fraud both political parties represent.
ReplyDeleteSolonsay,
ReplyDeleteI really must get away from this computer, but I'll respond to your comment since it's short.
Ron Paul may upset the bipartison raping of America, but his 1 trillion dollar austerity plan is far more radical of a rape job than we've seen.
Ron Paul thinks raising interest rates will save our economy. Rather than pay the interest to the FED, he'd rather you pay it to his Austrian buddies, that's all.
ReplyDeleteDr. Paul is OK with paying taxes, as long as someone else pays them.
"You work, I'll eat." that's the usurer's ideal.
Show me a candidate eager to outlaw taxes and interest and then I'll register to vote.
Who has the right to charge interest on public money? Why outsource profitable public utilities like water and electricity? Usury.
Meanwhile, we surrender millions in imaginary money to thieves. Make that trillions, why not?
Doesn't it strike you odd that Tarpley who advocates a 911 conspiracy theory about a rogue military/intelligence sector would criticize the only candidate willing and able to take on the rogue military/intelligence sector? At the same time, getting rid of the Fed would help restore the purchasing power of the working class and redirect capital away from speculation so that it can be used to invest in the economy. Tarpley really has his priorities out of order dragging select social programs into this discussion as the moral equivalent of more important priorities.
ReplyDeleteIf reducing taxes is your only moral authority, you should at least understand the predicament you find yourself in. Since 1980, household net wealth has grown at historical rates now at a level over 3 times GDP, $56 trillion to $15 trillion debt. A budget crisis framed outside the reality of historical wealth creation is a fraud. So who is being defrauded, you are.
ReplyDeleteI would think upsetting the raping of America, ending political wars and reforming the Fed all important priorites found in one candidate would make that candidate fairly attractive.
ReplyDeleteIf we don't disable the derivative artifical wealth creation machine now in place and disengage from political wars so we can rebuild our economy then nothing else really matters in the long run.
So Tarpley's Critique is based on the amount,the relatively short duration and specific programs effected by Paul's plan.
ReplyDeleteOk, Fair enough but what does he expect? Paul is constantly talking about the welfare state and the dependency created by these programs and Tarpley is surprised at where the majority of the cuts are going to come from?
There does not exist two men on the planet who would agree on what programs to cut and by how much. That's why we have a president.. TO LEAD!
Paul is 100% correct that these programs, which initially seem to address the immediate needs of the poor, are in the long run devastating to everyone including the poor.
Ron Paul puts his money where he mouth is. These cuts will not result in the immediate death of millions of people. He trusts in the goodness of the American people. He trusts in the private sector, not Government, to address societies needs. Should we expect rough times during the transition? Probably but for god's sake let's get it over with.
Someone has to make the tough decisions. Tarpley should be praising Ron Paul for having the balls to do what know one else is seemingly willing or capable of doing.
You need to keep perspective that Ron Paul is against the corporate welfare state as well as the public one. Voters have been conditioned to think of welfare as a class conflict. Wall Street derivative losses already dwarf the current obligations of the so called public welfare state.
ReplyDeleteThe key to real reform is to address the real problem.
ReplyDeleteThe Problem is the Money Power, ruling through Interest and the Boom/Bust cycle.
Clearly, with his Austrian Economic approach (Gold) Paul is simply the other side of the Gold-Paper dialectic the bankers like to play.
http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/why-bankers-love-gold/
The Money Power has obtained a currency monopoly through Government.
It is clear that the Government must at least end that and reclaim the power to print its own money interest free. Either through interest free credit, or debt free money (Social Credit)
But Government is not the same thing as Commonwealth. So it's far from clear that maintaining a currency monopoly is the best approach.
There is should be a more pluriform approach, with regional currencies and other market currencies complement Government currency.
http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/for-self-determination-we-need-free-currencies/
To all,
ReplyDeleteRon Paul may do a lot of good things as president, but things aside from RP's Plan to Restore America are not the subject of this post. Of course, I don't mind if you comment about other things, but I'm only going to respond to posts that are on topic.
"RP can't endorse 911 truth - even if he believed in it personally - he has enough on his plate wit the Fed and the machinery behind it - but if he becomes POTUS well that's another matter - at which point it would not surprise me in the least if he endorsed a proper investigation wherein everything can be revealed.
ReplyDeleteGO RP!"
He had no problem entertaining 911 Truth when it was a benefit to him, but when things got thick he betrayed 911 Truth.
"If you think about it, everything Tarpley said was superficial, makes a great deal of assumptions and doesn't see the forest for the trees. Example he says getting rid of these regulations, such as those which held the derivatives fiasco at bay, is a bad idea on Ron Paul's part. The derivatives is a fiasco because they could borrow from the Fed. The Fed prints money out of thin air. Ron Paul wants to get rid of the Fed which effectively takes care of derivatives. If Ron gets rid these bad laws, as Tarpley admits, it wouldn't make a hoot of difference. Everything he says has one of these hidden caveats which changes the entire picture."
ReplyDeleteGetting rid of the Fed will not take care of derivatives. The removal of Glass-Steagall was a bad thing.
The Fed doesn't just print money out of thin air, the Fed loans money into existence.
"Tarpley asks where are the empirical examples where implementing an immediate deflationary crash was ever used to restore the economy. He says proponents can't answer this question. Really? How about Paul Volcker's tighting of the monetary supply in 1981, which wrung out of the economy the malinvestments from the latter 1970s.
ReplyDeleteAllowing malinvestments to fester in the system will get one a prolonged period of economic stagnation. Riding the wave of those malinvestments is no policy, which is why in previous recessions the Fed always tightened the money supply to recoup the economy faster. Otherwise one has a situation like we have today...prolonged stagnation with no signs of relief on the horizon."
Sorry, it's a bad practice to kill the patient in order to cure the disease.
as fine a document as the constitution is it was designed to legitimize a formal government of the few ruling over the many. the sooner we ignore the ruling class and bureaucrats the sooner we can get on with the creative roles we play as human beings, living our lives as god intended...
ReplyDeleteGetting back to the subject at hand, Tarpley's article questions the economics our newest budding change agent, Ron Paul, by discharging his core economic agenda just to land criticism on lower level economic priorities. Regarding derivatives, if I am not mistaken the Fed is giving cash to banks in return for toxic collateral. The banks such as JP Morgan use this new cash to speculate and make artificial profits using various derivative products to keep their solvency intact. Without the derivative cash cow, the banks are toast. When loaning money into existence, the Fed also creates artificial spreads which is another source of artificial cash for the banks. The Fed is public enemy number one and everyone's standard of living is suffering because of their policies. It seems to me that Tarpley's criticism is misplaced.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think Tarpley is wrong here. Tarpley points out, what many others have, and what I also point out, that we must nationalize the Fed, not end it. Article 1, Section 8, gives Congress the authority to "coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof." This is absolutely essential to restoring national sovereignty. Ending the Fed would not stop the oligarchy from dominating the U.S. If you leave money creation and regulation to the free-market, then you've changed nothing. You'll still have private finance calling the shots.
Now, RP's plan has more to do with cutting the budget, balancing the budget, and allowing for competing currencies, than truly restoring national sovereignty, and getting Congress to resume Article 1, Section 8.
We must understand, money is created as a debt bearing interest. Therefore, you cannot balance the budget, and if you try you'll end up contracting the money supply.
Well, rather than debating all these details I'll just say, nationalize the Fed. RP's belief the "free-market" should decide the value of our currency is NOT what the Constitution was written for. That's Austrian School non-sense, and far from the American tradition. Also, austerity cuts is exactly what the ruling oligarchy wants!
Thanks for the continued discussion Solonsays.
The USA has been taken over by the communist elite, but communism is not a good explaination for a handful of very rich and the rest to be massive poor. If you look at all the GOP candidates, Ron Paul is the closest to getting the USA back on course. Unfortunatly, Romney is the Republican Obama and the others are close seconds.. Ron Paul is conservative enough to get the USA back on track. The Main Stream Media puppet handlers are afraid of Ron Paul, as they are going to get exposed for the corrupt people that they are. The MSM with its lies and lies and more lies, No one even believes ABC, CBS, NBC and even Fox News is not believeable anymore. The Democrat and Republican elite puppet handlers are all on the same team. We know that Ron Paul is not on their team and Only Ron Paul will get us over this terrible elite puppet handlers pushing us into tranny. The Solution: 1) Lottery for elections, selection day, not election, let everyone have a chance, though some may be better than others, the present system only allows for mediocre people, a lottery will be better. 2) 100 people maximum per company, this will assure no more of this tranny, no more to big to fails, no more huge business, that only end up wanting power. Lots of small businesses are true capitalism and they assure business for ever. To Big To Fails are socialism by nature.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous, what about Ron Paul's austerity program? Is that okay with you? Was austerity bad when it was forced on Greece? Did you support that?
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ReplyDeleteI was debating the Daily Bell about these matters.
http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/discussing-interest-and-gold-with-the-daily-bell/
They took a hit.
RealCurrencies,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link. I'm working on a new post at the moment, but I'll read the article once I am free.
I don't think it matters if we end the Fed or nationalized it at this stage of the game. Therefore, having a President and Treasury Secretary committed to one or the other is critical to the reform process. There are $4.6 trillion dollars owed the nation's Trust Funds that could fund a new public bank if we really wanted to change the banking system. In an ideal orderly world, diversifying the banking system between the Fed and a new public bank would be best route. The problem is the largest Fed banks have astronomical derivative losses on their books and many more in the pipeline waiting to rupture. The multi-trillion dollar questions are how much longer do we allow the banks to feed off the rest of us to keep derivative cash flows intact and which candidate do you want on watch when these things explode again. The taxpayer has already been saddled with trillions of Wall Street losses based on these things exploding the first time. Europe is trying to impose property taxes on their citizenry rather than allowing a proper bankruptcy process to proceed. These are lobbyist controlled outcomes.
ReplyDeleteThe other problem is that all of this capital chasing artificial profits derived from derivatives is short changing and destroying the real economy. Until we cleanse the banking system and replace the lobbyist occupation of Congress, we are all going to be held hostage to the tyranny of corporate self interest and the tax avoidance syndicate controlling our government.
In this context, Tarpley’s criticism of Ron Paul's economic agenda not covering enough bases seems ridiculously academic.
Well, considering Article 1, Section 8, of the Federal Constitution demands Congress "coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof," I don't see any reasonable solution accept for nationalizing the Federal Reserve.
ReplyDeleteWe need to step back a moment, and take a look at what Republicans are proposing. What we're being told we must do in order to improve our economic situation. Well, we're being told we must cut spending by drastically reducing social programs, and eliminating agencies. Who's going to be hurt the most by these cuts? As Tarpley points out, it's the poorest of our society. There's a word for this, and it's called austerity. Ron Paul is proposing the most radical program of austerity coming from the Republican party. This is Tarpley's point.
Austerity is NOT the solution. The only solution is our Constitution. We must restore the power of the purse back into the hands of our government to restore national sovereignty. Otherwise, the hidden-hands of private finance will continue to rape, pillage, and dominate our society.
Tarpley has explained why productive work, and not austerity, are needed to rebuild the economy. Austerity is a downward cycle leading to further collapse. Tarpley has always advocated dumping the massive derivative debt, rather than decimating our wealth to bail out criminals. If Ron Paul wants to build bridges, why can't he explain how monetary reform would give us back our wealth? Restoring the trillions would ensure the safety of Social Security and Medicare, which are drops in the bucket compared to the stolen trillions.
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ReplyDeleteThe poorest are already the most victimized by Fed monetary policy. Recent statistics reveal almost 50% of Americans poor or in poverty. Since the Democrats no longer represent the working class and both parties are passing laws that subterfuge our rights and Constitution, on what basis are you expecting any other Presidential candidate to bring change to the current power structure in Washington? Austerity is already being imposed on the working class while the wealthy elite are given a free ride to accrue tax deferred profits in the global marketplace. When hundreds of people are applying for every single low paying job, you have to assume they are looking for productive work.
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ReplyDeleteI have no argument with Solonsays, and I'm not supporting any candidate. Neither is Tarpley, who wrote a damning book on Obama (and the Bush family, and 9-11). Tarpley says the government needs to provide opportunities for productive work through public works projects, etc., as FDR started to do (though his work is now being undone). It can't happen in the current climate of austerity.
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ReplyDeleteThe poorest are already the most victimized by Fed monetary policy. Recent statistics reveal almost 50% of Americans poor or in poverty. Since the Democrats no longer represent the working class and both parties are passing laws that subterfuge our rights and Constitution, on what basis are you expecting any other Presidential candidate to bring change to the current power structure in Washington? Austerity is already being imposed on the working class while the wealthy elite are given a free ride to accrue tax deferred profits in the global marketplace. When hundreds of people are applying for every single low paying job, you have to assume they are looking for productive work."
Your statement alone suggests the establishment desires austerity, so why on earth would anyone want to support a candidate who proposes austerity, and think somehow this is different?
The basis I expect is honesty, and patriotism towards the people of this nation.
There's nothing which imposes on potential candidates a mandate that they must support and seek austerity. Any candidate which does propose austerity is doing so on their own ambitions.
ReplyDeleteThe reason Ron Paul proposes these austerity measures is because he's brainwashed by this Austrian School, which itself is very far from representing the American tradition. The Austrian School serves the NWO agenda.
Look Webster Tarpley! He had no choice to denounce 911 conspiracy theories (NOT)! The media would have gotten their excuse to vilify him for good and he would not be trying again this time if he had not denounced 911 conspiracy theories, its also hard to know the true story, conspiracy theorists only have theories though we can make calculated guesses to what happened... Better for him to get elected and then have an investigation of 911, he can then change his mind! Sad thing is he has to be careful what he says always, the powers that be hate him and they own the media have you not been watching or are you a dumb ass fool or just having a go for the sake of getting your name in print? Or both!
ReplyDeleteDear Doctor Paul, your remedy would kill the nation!
ReplyDeleteOhh, but maybe that's OK with you as you seem to prefer global governance... this from the congressional records:
"There's nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency...."
No sir, globalism has been great for America, just as your banking masters have told you. As Eustace Mullins disclosed... Ron Paul is owned by the Rothschilds.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDc
Your blog and commentary is great Kenneth... keep it up.
Larry
(Kenneth you may remember me from Bill Still's blog)
Larry,
ReplyDeleteExcellent YouTube clip. Thanks for sharing the link. I'll surely post it too. I need your blog link again. I was changing my blog theme, and removed my links list by mistake. I've been trying to rebuild my links. Also, thanks for the encouragement. :-)
Ken,
ReplyDeleteThere is a big difference in collective austerity and class warfare. The establishment running the class warfare machinery doesn't desire collective austerity. Collective austerity such as we had during WW2 was a virtuous necessity. Sure there is waste and fraud in the Federal Budget that needs to be dealt with but it needs to occur in a framework of a fair tax system where all sources of wealth income are taxed equally.
There has been historical financial wealth created in this country since 1980 and virtually none of it has contributed to the tax burden. You can check the household net worth stats on the Fed website. What we have going on in America is nothing less than all out class warfare against the working class, the creation of artificial wealth by Wall Street using derivatives and a faux budget crisis. The Fed is the tool of Wall Street gamblers feeding the tax avoidance syndicate running the country. Until you shutdown the Wall Street gambling casino, capital will flow to the easy money made on Wall Street and stay off line denying our economic system capital and tax revenue.
Once you tax all sources of wealth income, then the budget crisis disappears over night. Once you eliminate deferred taxes, the budget crisis vaporizes overnight. A measly 2.6% tax on all household financial assets eliminates the deficit. This is collective austerity. This circles back to my point that Ron Paul is the only candidate willing, but maybe not able to disrupt the Fed-Wall Street machinery, the first base of real reform. In baseball, getting hit in the head with a fast ball still gets you to first base. Once political reform gets to first base, I will worry more about getting to second base.
So, you're proposing we tax household financial assets? Assets which belong to the working class? Why must the working class pay more, when the parasites on Wall Street pay nothing? Why not a Wall Street sales tax? Why not shift the burden of this depression onto those who created it, rather than those who are being punished by it?
ReplyDeleteNo Solonsays, austerity is class warfare under a different guise.
Ron Paul is brainwashed by this Austrian/Libertarian non-sense. He's promoting austerity which will only serve the ruling oligarchy, not the working class.
Austerity will NOT end this depression!
Ken,
ReplyDeleteI gave several options to deal with the deficit and there a many more available. Let me put it another way. Financial wealth in this country is growing at twice the rate of the deficit. This ratio does not create the basis of a legitimate budget crisis. The minute you end tax breaks, the budget crisis vaporizes. But meaningful tax reform is not going to happen in 2012-2016. Politicians will continue to use the Trust Fund IOU’s as a slush fund and raise the debt ceiling to keep tax avoidance intact. So that is bad news for the working class.
There are more trade agreements coming on line sponsored by both political parties. That is bad news for the working class. Derivatives are driving up the cost of commodities and the cost of living. That is bad news for the working class. Wall Street loses are being guaranteed by the government but the only taxpayers are the middle class wage earner and the unborn. Healthcare Corporations have been given pricing protection by our government driving up the cost of medical care. That is bad news for the working class. I can go on and on about the adversity being imposed on the working class by both political parties in partnership.
I don’t fear the austerity of Ron Paul because I don’t think he can implement it or make conditions worse for the working class. I do fear the track record of Obama and the Democratic Party now working in partnership with Republicans to strip America of our Bill Of Rights and piece meal the working class standard of living into a state of poverty. If not Ron Paul, please reveal your candidate of choice and why you place faith in them.
Our national wealth cannot be measured in numbers. It must be measured in physical terms, such as infrastructure, production, scientific development, standard of living, etc.
ReplyDeleteThere's no real point in debating the details of taxes, when this system is designed to subvert national sovereignty, asset strip, and enslave. We must resume the powers of Article 1, Section 8. No gold-standard or "free-market" will fix anything. My money page covers all this.
Austerity is unacceptable, even if proposed by Ron Paul. Austerity is the agenda of the oligarchy, so why on Earth would I support austerity? Just because Ron Paul's offering it? No, I don't think so.
Just because I do not support Ron Paul, due to his economics, does not mean I must have some all perfect candidate to offer everyone. Just because I don't have such a candidate doesn't mean I must betray my reason and support Ron Paul.
Thanks for your comments.
Great stuff Larry! Tonight on Makow's site another analysis of Paul's monetary theories is offered and I'll see if I can get this in.
ReplyDeleteDidn't see that liberty revival site yet, good stuff!
If Ron was the real deal he wouldn't even be on MSM.
ReplyDeleteThe powers that be would have taken care of him a long time ago more deceptively than the 3 kennedys. He's saying what the people want to hear ( read my lips...) just like all the rest and the cycle goes on. Most people are just gullible but everything is just scripted and so plain to see. It's called controlled opposition the hidden hand are just too cunning, deceptive and evil for most to comprehend. Look at the big picture and forget the details. An honorable man would say screw the presidency and tell the truth about the clip above and if he doesn't know the truth the not fit to be president.
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